See, it is like this.
In Child Welfare, anything dealing with the "best interests of the child", whether that be financial, physical or in this instance, all of the above, MSU, being a public university, does not have to turn over anything the Michigan Special Prosecutor requests.
Oh, you dare to challenge me on this position?
Well, riddle me this: How does a parent access her children's educational and medical records from the State of Michigan, to enroll them in school, after the children were Legally Kidnapped, drugged, raped & tortured in foster care for years?
Last time I checked, Bill....Schuette, that is, said that since foster care is privatized, the parent must hire a private attorney because it is a civil matter.
Last time I checked, poverty was one of the criteria to put kids in foster care, meaning, No money, no justice as "The Poors" (always said with clinched teeth) have no civil rights.
Alas, Bill....Schuette, that is....is running a gubernatorial campaign and still has friends in D.C., and Bill...Forsyth, that is.... knows stuff, so I am putting my money on him. Smooches!
Engler is scared, and rightfully so, because I am on a mission...
In the spirit of fuchsia...
MSU obstructing probe, prosecutor says
A special prosecutor has threatened to seek a search warrant against Michigan State University for documents investigators believe are “critical” in determining how school officials handled allegations surrounding disgraced sports doctor Larry Nassar.
Go Bill. Go Bill...Forsyth, that is.
Go Bill. Go Bill...Forsyth, that is.
The attorney general's office said MSU is "wrongfully withholding information" as well as constructing its communications in a way that obscures them for review. But the university countered that it is cooperating, while asserting attorney-client privilege in withholding some documents and redacting parts of others.
Oh Bob...you asserted attorney-client privilege. You should really follow my work more closely.
Oh Bob...you asserted attorney-client privilege. You should really follow my work more closely.
The accusations are made in a series of letters exchanged beginning in April between William Forsyth, who was appointed in January by Attorney General Bill Schuette to oversee the independent Nassar investigation at MSU, and Robert Young, a former state Supreme Court chief justice who now serves as general counsel for the university.
Notice how the word "accusations" is plural.
Notice how the word "accusations" is plural.
Schuette named Forsyth in response to a request from the MSU trustees for an independent investigation of the school's actions regarding Nassar, a former MSU physician who is serving a de facto life term after pleading guilty to sexual assault and child pornography charges.
For a few plausible reasons why Schuette named Forsyth you can peruse over here.
For a few plausible reasons why Schuette named Forsyth you can peruse over here.
The Detroit News obtained the letters through a Freedom of Information request to the Attorney General's Office.
NOTE TO THE DETROIT NEWS: Nice job on adopting the process of embedding docs!
NOTE TO THE DETROIT NEWS: Nice job on adopting the process of embedding docs!
Andrea Bitely, a spokeswoman for the Attorney General’s office, said she could not comment on whether Forsyth had obtained the search warrant he threatened in the June 15 letter. Forsyth said he has not received the documents he needs to do his review, alleging that the university's initial response was to provide scores of "irrelevant" documents, such as the school's bedbug control policy.
Bedbug policy is a much more serious issue than the welfare of children. My goodness, you have John Engler at the helm, damn it! You should know he does not care about tiny humans of "The Poors" (always said with clinched teeth) unless there is a substantial opportunity to "maximize revenues" through privatization, as Engler is the King of Privatization, you know.
Bedbug policy is a much more serious issue than the welfare of children. My goodness, you have John Engler at the helm, damn it! You should know he does not care about tiny humans of "The Poors" (always said with clinched teeth) unless there is a substantial opportunity to "maximize revenues" through privatization, as Engler is the King of Privatization, you know.
Reached Wednesday night, Emily Guerrant, an MSU spokeswoman, defended the school's response to the investigation but declined to discuss Forsyth's statements.
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| "Oh, Engler, are you covering up your personal, corporate inurement from your public office, again?" |
MSU is a public university, which means that even I should be able to get those requested docs through a FOIA...or did Engler privatize MSU when no one was looking? That Engler is so crafty!
The dispute between the special prosecutor and Young, Interim President John Engler's hand-picked legal counsel, comes amid growing calls for Engler's ouster. At least two trustees and multiple political leaders have called on Engler to resign for insensitivity toward Nassar's victims, and one trustee has implied he would try to convince colleagues to fire the former governor at Friday's meeting of the Board of Trustees.
Joel Ferguson, vice chairman of the board, declined to comment on the letters Wednesday night. The other members of the board did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Though Forsyth said he met with Young in late March, in an April 11 letter to Young, he accused the university of continuing to block his investigation by behaving in a manner that "impedes this office's ability to fully evaluate the propriety of the university's assertions of privilege."
At the heart of the issue is the university's privilege log, which list the documents MSU claims it can legally withhold. According to Forsyth, the log totaled nearly 200 pages as of June 15 and covers more than 1,500 emails. Forsyth questions whether all of those documents qualify for protection.
Bill...Forsyth, that is... how many times do I have to tell you that child welfare was privatized in Michigan by Engler, which means that he is not "obstructing justice" as you may think, he is invoking privacy in Child Protection Law.
Bill...Forsyth, that is... how many times do I have to tell you that child welfare was privatized in Michigan by Engler, which means that he is not "obstructing justice" as you may think, he is invoking privacy in Child Protection Law.
In a May 24 letter to the MSU Board of Trustees, Forsyth asked the university to reconsider its assertion of privilege, saying the Nassar case is "unparalleled in our time" and the university "stands at the very center of those events."
"You must decide whether it best serves the interest of the people of the State of Michigan — to whom you owe a fiduciary duty — to withhold information in response to an inquiry by the State's Attorney General," Forsyth wrote "If you decline to waive the University's privilege, it will be virtually impossible to determine MSU's role in the the events surrounding the Nassar matter."
In a June 8 letter, Young responded that Forsyth is overstepping his authority.
"It is shameful for the Attorney General to demand access to the university's legal advice because we both understand that you are not entitled to that advice and no court in the country would ever compel the university to give you access," the MSU lawyer wrote.
Young added that the university is working closely with the state, and only a small fraction of documents have been held back as privileged.
"The fact is we are and have been cooperating," Young wrote. "To date, MSU has produced 46,245 documents to your office. Of these, only 256 documents have been fully withheld as privileged and another 176 have been produced partially redacted for privileged communications: fewer than one percent."
Forsyth wrote back June 15, saying his concern that the university was trying to circumvent the investigation had been heightened because of a communication between trustees chairman Brian Breslin and other board members.
"Our concern that MSU might be improperly withholding information was heightened by an email produced by the university from Chairperson Breslin to his fellow trustees discussing non-privileged information but directing them to copy legal counsel on their response in order to 'protect client privilege.'"
Young’s reluctance to release the communications runs counter to the university’s promise to cooperate with law enforcement, said John Manly, a lawyer who represents the majority of women and girls who sued MSU, USAG Gymnastics and other institutions for failing to protect them from Nassar's sexual abuse.
Hang in there Bill....Forsyth, that is.... I believe FinCen has this "attorney-client privilege" issue covered.
Hang in there Bill....Forsyth, that is.... I believe FinCen has this "attorney-client privilege" issue covered.
Manly added that Breslin's advice to trustees to copy attorneys on their communication to avoid its disclosure is evidence of further “obfuscation and stonewalling.”
“If you wonder how Larry Nassar happened under this board, well, that’s your answer,” Manly said.
The special prosecutor asked in April for a judge to review of documents for which MSU claims attorney-client privilege to determine whether they should be revealed or protected.
"These concerns are of critical import because the Privilege Log reflects that numerous emails involving key individuals in our investigation (for example, members of the Board of Trustees, former President Simon, Vice President Bill Beekman, Provost June Youatt, and Associate Provost Terry Curry) have been withheld," Forsyth wrote Young on April 11.
One document involving former MSU gymnastics coach Kathie Klages is specifically called into question.
"For example, the Privilege Log states that Document MSU-AG-0132987 has been withheld based on the 'attorney-client privilege,' Forsyth writes. "The document is described as an 'email chain requesting information to assist in rendering legal advice regarding Nassar litigation.'
"The email chain is between Kathy Klagas (sic) and Tracy Leahy (dated December 13, 2016). While no job title has been provided for Ms. Leahy, her LinkedIn profile indicates that she has been the Senior Institutional Equity Investigator and Deputy ADA Coordinator for Grievances at Michigan State University since 2015. Based on her job title, it's unclear how Ms. Leahy could have rendered legal advice to Ms. Klagas in 2016."
In his June 8 letter, Young said Forsyth had improperly sought privileged information from MSU and "coupled that demand with the implicit and tawdry threat that the Attorney General will publicly and politically embarrass the Board if it fails to give into your demand."
"On so many levels, this latest demand brings shame on you, the Attorney General and our legal profession that is expected to model and show respect for the Rule of Law," Young wrote. "It is hard to think of a more sacred American legal principle than that a party is entitled to the honest advice of its lawyers and the inviolate assurance that that advice will be confidential and protected.
"That privilege is, as the United State Supreme Court has said, 'the oldest of the privileges for confidential communications known to the common law ...," Young wrote.
The decision to waive attorney-client privilege is not an easy one, said Peter Henning, a Wayne State University constitutional law expert. Once that privilege is waived for one group, it's waived for any other lawyer, journalist or citizen who requests the same information, he said.
“The problem isn’t so much Forsyth as everyone else who might sue MSU,” Henning said.
Attorney-client privilege covers anyone who works for the organization, even communications between two employees, as long as the subject matter encompasses legal advice, Henning said.
On the other hand, he said, “just putting an attorney on the cc list does not make it privileged.”
Henning said a search warrant like the one proposed by Forsyth — in which a judge sorts through the contested information to exclude the privileged pieces — is a way to speed up the process while still maintaining MSU’s privilege.
Read the embedded document for Child Protection Law. Remember, privacy is always in the best interests of the child.
Read the embedded document for Child Protection Law. Remember, privacy is always in the best interests of the child.
The letters were released on the heels of a meeting Friday at which the MSU Board of Trustees will consider appointing Young as permanent general counsel.
Engler appointed Young, a longtime political ally, in February as the lead counsel assigned to coordinate the numerous investigations involving MSU’s handling of the allegations against Nassar and Title IX lawsuits that have been filed against the school.
Bill...Schuette, that is, appointed Bill...Forsyth, that is, as his long time political ally. Like I have previously stated, you always want your crew in your corner. This is a life or death battle of political legacies and I have my money on the Bills...Schuette & Forsyth.
Bill...Schuette, that is, appointed Bill...Forsyth, that is, as his long time political ally. Like I have previously stated, you always want your crew in your corner. This is a life or death battle of political legacies and I have my money on the Bills...Schuette & Forsyth.
Critics questioned Young's rulings on sexual assault cases while a high court justice after he was appointed.
He went on to serve as the university's chief negotiator of a $500 million settlement between the university and Nassar's accusers.
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